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This really reinforce something I have thought for some time now, mainly that due to sea level changes, many ancient sites are now underwater.

I even have a pet theory about Atlantis, which I will repost from /r/AskHistorians:

"Though it is probably confirmation bias due to my particular interest in Sumer, there is much evidence that what is now the Persian Gulf was flooded quite suddenly, With evidence that many of the settlements post-flood were quickly setup, in places where formerly only nomad hunter/gatherers lived.

What you have to consider is the origin of the myth when compared to the archeology. The myth starts with Plato, who cites Solon visiting Sais, Egypt and learning of Atlantis. Plato says Atlantis existed about 9600 BC.

My theory goes like this:

What Plato/Solon called Atlantis is actually the civilization that once existed in the unflooded persian gulf, from which refuges of the flood fled to surrounding areas (and further) and brought with them the knowledge of civilization they possessed. When I say civilization, I mean the transition from hunter/gatherer society to agricultural society, and possibly writing/proto-writing. (Not the super civilization myth many imagine it as)

Allow me to explain and support this assertion as best I can.

The Egyptian town Solon visited was the home town of the goddess Neith as far back as 3000 BC, and it was the priests of Neith which gave him the information about Atlantis. Neith is likely to be associated with the god Tanit, who in turn may be associated with the Akkadian god Ishtar, which is actually the counterpart of the Sumerian Inanna.

That's a lot of connections to make, but what does it matter relevant to this? Well, it matters in two main ways. First, the greek Athena (and hence Athens) is actually derived from, if the above connection is true, the Sumerian Inanna. Plato/Solon placed too much importance on this connection, and in seeking to tie their Athens to the myth of Atlantis, fouled the myth up a bit. (The part about Atlantis and a war with Athens) This is why for so long before the good science of plate tectonics and geology Atlantis was sought in places it could never have been, such as the Atlantic and Mediterranean. The real connection is Sumeria and before.

The second part about why the Sumerian connection is so important is purely about timelines. If indeed there was a flood in the Persian Gulf as some of the recent science suggests, at around 8000 BC, it could possibly match the Sumerian King's list, which states there was a flood roughly that long ago. (the oldest king on the list verified is back to about 2600 BC, past that the list itself is the only source, which is why I say roughly) So I find it highly likely that much of the ancient history known by the priests of Sais that told Solon about Atlantis is actually the slightly adopted and modified version of the Sumerian flood myth, and this is supported by the study of the evolution of Egyptian religion/history as supported by archaeology.

So there you have it. My theory that the flooded southern tip of the fertile crescent at about 8000 BC is the true "Atlantis". Feel free to poke holes in it or make corrections for any sloppiness on my part. This is something I have thought about for a while but just now put into words.

The key thing I would focus on to expand this would be the writings of Plato regarding Solon. I have heard that it was a mistranslation that Plato said 9000 years and that it really reads 900 years, but I have not yet been able to find out where the original text is to ask to for a picture in order confirm/deny this."

http://phys.org/news/2010-12-lost-civilization-persian-gulf....

http://www.livescience.com/10340-lost-civilization-existed-b...

http://www.amazon.com/Recovering-Sarepta-Phoenician-City-Exc...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List

http://www.academia.edu/386944/New_Light_on_Human_Prehistory...



Wasn't "Atlantis" as it was discussed by Plato a purely theoretical location? Like if I made up the "United States of Omerico" for the purposes of argument - and then a thousand years later, people were like "where is this mythical sister state to America described by the philosopher devindotcom?!"

I could be mistaken, but I thought the whole lost sunken state thing was just a conceit for a political discussion.


"The key thing I would focus on to expand this would be the writings of Plato regarding Solon. I have heard that it was a mistranslation that Plato said 9000 years and that it really reads 900 years, but I have not yet been able to find out where the original text is to ask to for a picture in order confirm/deny this"

You want the Loeb Classical Library: http://www.hup.harvard.edu/collection.php?cpk=1031


Thank you for that! I'm no archaeologist or historian but I love ancient history so this is going to be my weekend reading.


Free, online:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/collection?collection=Pe...

Plato's ~80% of the way down the page.

Excellent resource for comparing original Greek and Latin text to various translations, in order to pick the one you want to read.


If you want to go back to the original Egyptian myths that likely gave rise to the Atlantis story, I would recommend reading "The Mythical Origin of the Egyptian Temple". (They don't mention any dates as far as I remember).


Similar theory, though using the Red Sea, is used in the book Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus.

What do you think of the maybe prevailing theory that Atlantis was actually located on Santorini? Wikipedia has all the links, but I like the fact that it is close to Greece, as it seems Improbable that Atlantis would not be mentioned elsewhere beside Plato (although perhaps other sources mention similar events??)


There is also a theory that Atlantis was on Sardinia [1].

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/15/bronze-age-sa...


That there are a lot of undiscovered sites just off our coasts is a well understood fact in Archaeology. For most of history a very high percentage of people lived on the coast. We know that ocean levels are higher now than they were several thousand years ago. That necessarily means a lot of sites are under water.

So why aren't there more underwater archaeological digs? Underwater sites are harder to find and they're hideously expensive to dig up. Archaeology is, traditionally, not that well funded. If, for whatever reason, the Earth were plunged into an ice age (and our civilization didn't collapse), there would be a golden age of archaeology as thousands of sites are discovered and studied.


We don't need an ice age, just the inevitable autonomous underwater drone robot explorers.


I remember when i was living in LA, i read some theory about how the mini-mammoths got to the channel islands, and why there is little archaeological sites in southern California. He proposed that at some point in history, people lived in a valley, that is now the waterway between the mainland and the channel islands. He surmised that as the waters rose, they erased the evidence of the man, and stranded a group of mammoths on the island, who slowly shrunk due to limited area and resources. Always thought it was an interesting theory.


My limited history told me that it wasn't so much sea level rise as much as land level drop mostly caused by ground movement, aka earthquakes.


It doesn't even require big earthquakes - the pillars of the Macellum of Pozzuoli are famous because they show that the ground sank down to submerge them and them rose back up again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macellum_of_Pozzuoli


Dozens of cities and probably several civilisations have been sunk/flooded by earthquake/environmental change over history. While you've done an impressive amount of research and have a lovely narrative, isn't it a simpler solution to suppose that it was simply a myth that evolved out of the stories d lost cultures and civilisations?


Didn't Plato specifically place Atlantis West of Gibraltar placing it squarely in the Atlantic Ocean?


He Said beyond the pillars of Hercules which could be referring to Gibraltar or it could be the edge of the Blacksea or somewhere else entirely.


Black Sea also got flooded and in similar time (although how catastrophic and sudden that was is under debate). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

edit: oh and apparently some of these floods were caused by draining of a glacial lake in the middle of North America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Agassiz


yes, he did.




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