> They made Georgia out to be an unreformed Confederate backwater
They wouldn't be wrong. For example in April 2021 a black woman from Md was drummed out of a wealthy town in GA for the crime of being black and an educator[0]. This is the kind of thing that happens all the time in the south and west.
She had no politics that they knew of. They disagreed with willful misrepresentations of politics that she had never expressed, and felt that they could get away with it because of race politics in Georgia.
Being willing to be part of a DEI office is politics, just like choosing to be a commissar rather than an artillery officer is politics. It’s deeply unfortunate that Ms Lewis was unaware of that but it’s going to become clear over the next decade or two of backlash that DEI is a loser, politically. People are going to either attack it or dissociate from it.
>At first, the scope of the role gave Lewis pause. In her current district, these responsibilities were split among several people, and she’d never held a position dedicated to anything as specific as that before. But she had served on the District Equity Leadership Team in her Maryland county and felt prepared for this new challenge. She believed the job would allow her, as she put it, to analyze the district’s “systemic and instructional practices” in order to better support “the whole child.”
Your statement suggests that you did not actually read the article.
She was drummed out of town because white radical Republicans made up positions that the educator in question did not hold and had never hold (that you can pretend to talk about CRT with respect to primary or secondary school is indicative that you have bought into the propaganda; it is a post-graduate law school concept, unless you’re a radical republican hell bent on fighting anything that does anything other than support a white supremacist distortion of history).
The reality is that the moment someone in Georgia says "this is not about the colour of her skin", it’s about the colour of her skin. Everything about what she was going to "bring into" the district was fabricated out of whole cloth and had nothing to do with either (a) anything the educator in question had said or (b) anything the educator in question had been hired for.
No, what I wrote is experience. Just because I don’t give you a detailed example of the history where I know what I wrote to be true does not make it less experiential.
White racism in Georgia is deep and has decades of experience in cloaking itself in plausible deniability to confuse the weak-minded.
The same logic of experience drives police officers to draw their guns on 'suspicious' young black males. They are, after all, by far the most criminal demographic in the U.S., and most cops in racially mixed areas will have some bad prior experiences with them.
Are they justified doing so, in your opinion? Or if not, where is the line where experience should stop counting?
There is absolutely no justification for the recent extrajudicial murder of an unarmed black motorist by cops who shot him 60 times.
There is absolutely no justification for the murder of Tamir Rice.
Black people in America are overpoliced. When presented with the same crime, Black people are routinely charged more often, charged more intensely (the number and severity of the charges are higher), and convicted more often.
Young black males are massively overrepresented when it comes to murder convictions.
Are you suggesting that murders committed by other racial groups are routinely going unpunished, or that random blacks are framed for them instead of the real perpetrators?
Because if neither, your thesis about profiling does not hold water. You cannot "profile" people as murderers. They either did that or not.
I don't doubt that there are some false convictions for murder even today, but either:
a) blacks are really massively overrepresented among the murderers (and victims), or, if they are not,
b) there is a nationwide conspiracy either not to investigate and punish non-black murderers, or to frame innocent blacks for them, that reaches the level necessary for massive manipulation of U.S. crime stats.
B) would be an extraordinary claim that would need extraordinary evidence.
c) there is another correlation - poor people are more likely to be murderers and victims of murder, and there are other systems set up to push black people into poverty
>She was drummed out of town because white radical Republicans made up positions that the educator in question did not hold and had never hold
Assuming that is true, that may or may not have to do with race. Please provide proof race had anything to do with this.
>that you can pretend to talk about CRT with respect to primary or secondary school is indicative that you have bought into the propaganda; it is a post-graduate law school concept, unless you’re a radical republican hell bent on fighting anything that does anything other than support a white supremacist distortion of history).
CRT is clearly being used as a generic term and not a college level idea. Maybe we should have two separate terms, but similar concepts are absolutely being taught.
>The reality is that the moment someone in Georgia says "this is not about the colour of her skin", it’s about the colour of her skin.
You are clearly bias and assume the worst in people you disagree with.
You are doing the very thing you accuse these Georgians of doing.
>Everything about what she was going to "bring into" the district was fabricated out of whole cloth and had nothing to do with either (a) anything the educator in question had said or (b) anything the educator in question had been hired for.
Maybe, but seeing how white people pushing this get yelled at and kicked out as well, assuming this has anything to do with race is nothing more than a theory.
If we ever want to solve racial tension, we need to stop calling everybody a racist when they disagree on policies.
If America ever wants to solve racial tension, it needs to stop pretending that racial problems are fixed. They’re not, and all the data that matters says that very clearly (compare health outcomes, relative poverty, educational outcomes, incarceration rates, etc. across racial groups in America, and Black Americans are consistently in the worst groups for each of those—this is indicative of systemic problems that the racists in power don’t want addressed).
> CRT is clearly being used as a generic term and not a college level idea. Maybe we should have two separate terms, but similar concepts are absolutely being taught.
This is utter bullshit on every level, and you should be ashamed of yourself for such intellectual dishonesty.
There are two different CRTs. There is the real thing (a graduate level law concept) and then there is whatever the Fox News Outrage Machine has created to argue against. What are they arguing against? Pretty much anything that indicates that America had a dependency on slave labour ("involuntary relocation", anyone?). Pretty much anything that says that the Civil War was about keeping that slave labour. Pretty much anything that says that there was and continues to be a white supremacy problem in America to the detriment of all groups in America (see the recent decision in Wisconsin to drop a book about order 9066, Japanese-American internment, and Korematsu).
Please, start thinking for yourself and stop repeating Fox News Outrage.
>If America ever wants to solve racial tension, it needs to stop pretending that racial problems are fixed.
I clearly never said that. Please stop suggesting it and actually address my points instead of dishonestly changing the topic. You are causing racial tensions to continue and are the problem not the solution.
You are doing the exact thing you are accusing others of doing. Denying racism is occurring.
> This is utter bullshit on every level, and you should be ashamed of yourself for such intellectual dishonesty.
Telling white kids they are bad is the generic CRT I am talking about. You cannot deny this is happening. There are multiple witnesses and audio recordings of multiple cases. You need to stop your dishonesty.
You are getting off topic, deliberately. It doesn't matter if some people deny slavery or whatever it is your are rambling about. There is a type of CRT that is occurring and that is just a fact. Instead of accusing somebody of being in a Fox News bubble (which I don't even watch) maybe you should expand your news sources since they are clearly not bringing up all these cases that are happening all the time.
If people are doing what you’re claiming, it isn’t CRT (which, remember stands for "critical race theory"). I personally have no reason to believe that people are doing what you’re claiming.
What’s more likely is that people are saying "white people owned slaves" (fact, although disputed by the BoE in Texas), "the American Civil War was fought over slavery" (again, fact, disputed by pretty much all of the Republican party in 2022), "even after the racists lost, they caused more than a century of terror and division" (once again, absolute fact), and "even though civil rights legislation was passed and upheld to end that terror and division, the Republican Party and Supreme Court have steadily been eroding all of the gains in civil rights" (fact).
There are parents and Fox News Ninnies that are seeing these or similar factual statements and other factual statements as stated in the 1619 project and are completely freaking the fuck out and calling it "CRT" because they heard that term one day from people who look like them and they don’t want to think that they should perhaps be ashamed of the Confederate "heritage" of which they claim to be so proud (remember, most statues of the Confederate traitors weren’t put up until the 1900s). There are people — way too many people, and way too many on HN itself — who don’t see any problem with advancing the completely debunked and grossly racist Replacement Theory.
Are you doing that? Nope.
But you’re sure as hell carrying their water by pretending that talking straight about systemic racism, historic racism, and ongoing racism and bias against minorities is itself racism.
White kids aren’t being told they are bad. White kids are being told that they are beneficiaries of undeserved bias in favour of them. They aren’t bad: society itself is bad, and there needs to be strong action against this. And this, like everything else that I’ve actually said in the threads here, is 100% indisputable fact.
You have disqualified yourself from this discussion by pretending that the US Civil War was not at its very root about the right to own slaves. Three of the articles of secession refer to slavery specifically.
When you carry the water for people who lie about these basic facts, you are working against basic truth yourself, so don’t be surprised to be counted among them.
The American Civil War was started by South Carolina with an attack on Fort Sumter very shortly after South Carolina passed its articles of secession. (Source: 7th grade South Carolina history.)
Those are not two distinct events, they are one and the same. The people whose water you’re carrying have been lying to you your entire life and you’re happily helping them with your nonsense.
I did get one thing wrong; it wasn’t the Texas Board of Education that wanted to hide the fact that Texas was a slave state (although several members pushed for "involuntary relocation", which is both offensive and ahistorical). It was the Texas legislature (https://archive.ph/wGe8Z) who wished to hide the fact that the original Texians were illegal immigrants to Mexico who brought their slaves with them against Mexican law and other "inconvenient facts" which, to them, defame the "great state of Texas".
It’s hard to remember exactly which agency in Texas is responsible for the most outrageous statements, since they’re all Republican outrage monsters these days, so I think I can be forgiven that one small error.
I'm not going to respond to everything since you have once again moved the goal posts.
I'm ignoring the different part of government doing what you are saying, since it isn't relevant.
Originally you said "What’s more likely is that people are saying "white people owned slaves" (fact, although disputed by the BoE in Texas)"
Now what you are saying is there was an attempt to deny "the fact that Texas was a slave state"
Well which was it? Denial whites owned slaves or denial Texas was a slave state?
There is no point of continuing when you can't remain on topic and address the points I am trying to make about something like CRT being taught in elementary schools. I wonder why you didn't even address the CRT part and are harping on something unrelated.
You can't just claim somebody is racist because they don't like the policies of a black person. If that is a case then do I need to remind you what a large majority of people think of Clearance Thomas?
They wouldn't be wrong. For example in April 2021 a black woman from Md was drummed out of a wealthy town in GA for the crime of being black and an educator[0]. This is the kind of thing that happens all the time in the south and west.
0. https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-dei-crt-schools-p...