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Anyone interested in talking about the product decisions instead of Musk/Zuck hate?

- Interesting that they went with a stand-alone app instead of baking this into IG like they did with Stories (which killed Snap overnight). I wonder how much they’ll advertise the download inside of IG.

- Can’t say I like the name. Doesn’t evoke much emotion in me. The term “thread” is rarely used by normies without the word “Twitter” in front of it. And the choice of the plural form is interesting.

- The logo looks like it belongs to an app that should start with the letter ‘a’. Confusing that they go with a t-word like Twitter but then make the logo look like a different letter. Also, no color? Will it really stay black and white or will it adopt the IG gradient?



It’s a text-based app, which dramatically changes expectations. Instagram Stories was, like Instagram, photos and videos. That allows consistency in how things work (not that it does in practice because some gestures were based on shared expectations with Facebook Stories, others with TikTok or Snapchat, but… you get it).

Facebook designers have suffered quite a bit from dealing with very inconsistent media format: comments on one photo in an album are one of the obvious ones, or a poster criticizing and sharing a video and comments assuming the author shot the video is familiar to anyone with less media-savvy friends. Limiting media forms to consistent sets makes sense to have a smoother experience.

Facebook, and later Instagram once the first one was burned, has done a lot to have a social graph that makes sense: actual people and well-established pseudonyms, famous people and brands, etc. It’s the Social part of what is known internally as “The Graph” and a very crucial asset, something that was expected to be shared across properties: Facebook and Instagram, of course (hence the horrifying confusing relation between your Facebook account with your civil name and your pseudonymous account on Instagram, outing a few people that way), but also the MetaVerse lately and yet again with some controversy. WhatsApp fought against having the Social part of the graph as a default because WA had its own graph; that was a tough battle. It’s not fully isolated: WA Shopping leverages Inventory, the Things part of the graph, massively so.

Despite all that drama, this confirms that Facebook wants to leverage its Graph further, specifically Instagram’s—likely a victory from Ad Partners who want brands to feel comfortable early and spend fast.

The spaghetti logo looks nothing like what I have on my screen, so I think it’s a good one (Instagram gradient was to avoid having to deal with Facebook’s curse of starting very distinct, to be one of the too many blue apps far too soon). The name starting with 't' could be a way to capitalize on people who search by app name and their muscle memory that the app with ranty posts is called t-something.


Do you have any thoughts on why they attached to the IG graph and not the FB graph?

Maybe I'm in a bubble, IG seems very low text, low drama, low politics. Not very Twitter-y


I think the IG graph is more similar to the Twitter graph than the FB graph. Also, IG has much more of a “cool factor” which they’re hoping Threads will inherit.

I follow my grandparents on FB, and I don’t necessarily want that on my Threads.


> I think the IG graph is more similar to the Twitter graph than the FB graph.

Very much so: Facebook is unlike Instagram and Twitter in that its relationships are bidirectional.


This is a good point that I didn't think of until now. Bi-directional "connections" in the style of Facebook and LinkedIn feel very antiquated now.


There’s drama on IG, but thankfully not among the people you follow.

Why? Pseudonymous accounts. They are huge on Twitter, necessary, and Instagram supports them.


My guess is demographics, younger people use Instagram more than Facebook. Facebook has a lot of negatives attached to its name as well.


Probably because Threads is more suited to the unidirectional follow model


My guess is that facebook’s real name policy wouldn’t go well with this product


Does Facebook have globally-unique user handles? Instagram seems to the the only Meta property where the handle is not PII (real name or phone number).

Among Meta properties, Instagram is also the closest to Twitter as an interest-based social network (rather than limited to people-you-already-know)


Any unique identifier assigned to an "identifiable" person is PII. It doesn't matter if it is an IRC or Instagram handler, or a twitter username. It is PII if it can be associated to a person.

Euro/GDPR: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-4-gdpr/

‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly.

The keyword here is indirectly.

Australia: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2019C00025

personal information means information or an opinion about an identified individual, or an individual who is reasonably identifiable.

(a) whether the information or opinion is true or not; and (b) whether the information or opinion is recorded in a material form or not.

The keyword here "reasonably identifiable".


I meant PII that other users can use to identify an individual off-line.


FB as a brand has a stink on it that they don't want Threads to be associated with


Did you know that Instagram had previously got Threads app, which was closed in 2021? (https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/17/22787783/instagram-threa...)

Also Threads is a messaging app (https://threads.com). Isn't it a trademark violation?


In a way, the drama at twitter helped meta to successfully relaunch threads. Without musk, there is no mastodon and no threads


I think it's "@" not "a", like @<username>, which makes sense to me.


You're probably right, but they made the loop turn the wrong way.


which was intentional to be more stylized, and make it a bit less clear, which invites curiosity


I don't like the name "Threads" either. Probably because I'm a programmer.


I don't like the name. Probably because I'm from Sheffield.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film)


I don't like the name. Probably because I'm a weyrholder with actual institutional memory of the last Threadfall and its destruction.

https://pern.fandom.com/wiki/Thread


Or indeed anyone in Britain over a certain age! That film scarred me as a kid!


Should have called it coroutines


Cue the tailor/seamstress:


written in swift


Would you prefer the name "Promises"?


Who hasn't been hurted by threads? lol


Snapchat is overwhelmingly the primary way my much younger sister uses to talk to people of her age, discord is the second.

It was quite surprising, I was also surprised people of her age are exchanging discord handles IRL like we used to with MSN/ICQ etc. and then just use it for DMs. She doesn’t even use Snapchat stories because “no one watches stories” and are just direct DMing her friends, and posts general audience stuff to TikTok.

I immediately went and bought Snapchat shares when I found that out.


I am actually a huge fan of Snapchat, but they don’t monetize your younger sister very well because only stories has ads


I like the standalone app as a user. I don't have IG installed and I would not install it to get Threads. But I would install a standalone app.

I'm sure I'm not in the majority though.


Make sure you note all of the data they link to you in the privacy section. This app is no different from instagram or fb in that regard.


Is Twitter better?


No, Mastodon is better.


I don’t know, I don’t use any of there services. I just noticed on the app page that Threads will request what looks like everything.


But still you need an Instagram account to log in to Threads.


I like the logo, a twisty line or thread forming an @atsign, which brings to my video game mind Rogue and Nethack :)

Not a bad name, but the “th” in Threads can be problematic to pronounce in other languages.

Good to have competition in this space.


I actually think Threads is a great name. . . it sounds like discussion threads. Also, the name Twitter is beyond awful because it sounds twitty! :)

Seriously, I have no dog in this fight. I stopped using Twitter about a year ago when everything went full Elon. I might use Threads at some point, if it gains enough traction.


Snapchat is not dead…


The logo looks like the letters C and a. I wonder whether this is intentional.


The logo is an @ with a very strange choice of typeface.

Probably a nod to the @username format that Twitter made so popular.


@ was used to reference people looooong before Twitter popularized it. In fact, it was users on Twitter already using the paradigm that made the engineers integrate it. Same as hashtags.


I don't seem to remember that. Where was that used? The closest I can think is email, which is where I thought Twitter borrowed it.

I remember hashtags being popularized first by Flickr (maybe @mentions were too?)


> I don't seem to remember that. Where was that used? The closest I can think is email, which is where I thought Twitter borrowed it.

IRC, chat rooms, web forums. Pretty much any sort of group social arena.

The symbol lends itself to the usage, not vice versa. That's like asking "why do people use quotation marks around quotes"; because that's its intention.


What would have been the intention?


> The term “thread” is rarely used by normies without the word “Twitter” in front of it.

As if twitter or tweet was when twitter launched?


It reminds me of the social media BeReal.

Similar logo, black and white.


No global rollout either. I can’t download the app from the App Store as it is not available in my country.


Snapchat is steadily growing and increasing revenue. [1]

[1]: https://investor.snap.com/overview/default.aspx


There’s also this symbol from a language called Tamil that looks similar:

கு


Isn't it a character and not a symbol? Also, doesn't look anything like it.


i like the name threads




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